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Economics · FIRE · Politics

The March of Folly: The Absurdities of the Wall Street ‘Occupation’

  • by Andrew Barr
  • October 9, 2011
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The recent “occupation” of Wall Street has shed light on what is becoming an unfortunate phenomenon in American society; the purposeless protest, the destructive demonstration, movements that serve only to draw attention to an issue without proposing any real degree of reform.

We saw it when unions occupied the Wisconsin capitol building, during the 2001 and 2003 Free Trade Area of the Americas protests in Canada and Miami, the G-20 protest in Montreal in October 2000 and the World Trade Organization protests in Seattle in 1999. Disaffected individuals are turning to increasingly violent, disruptive and thoroughly useless means of effecting change (presumably their goal).

Some seem aware of their lack of direction and, not surprisingly, seem to embrace it. Reuters quotes Jeremy Moss, a 41 Bronx native and mental health counselor who lived in Seattle during the WTO riots and feels the Wall Street protests are different, admitting,

“There’s a lot of naive idealism happening, what’s wrong with that?”

As Bill Buckley would say, “Idealism is fine, but as it approaches reality the cost becomes prohibitive”. Naïve idealism is fine, but it has no business blocking traffic on the Brooklyn Bridge.

The right of the protestors to demonstrate should not be disputed, nor should the fact that many of these individuals have been casualties of corporate downsizing and otherwise victimized by the ailing economy and are understandably angry with the institutions they blame for their job losses.

The problems arise from the means of protest and the “professional protesters” who have made the struggle their own. These individuals, who have made a career out of civil disobedience, are a rag-tag conglomeration of residue from the hippie era, students (who are clearly not taking enough credit hours), other Woodstock generation wannabes, and a myriad of others.

Regardless of the highly charged emotions of the demonstrations, the thousands of protestors camping out near Wall Street for weeks at a time are not there just because of the economy. Signs decrying everything from the execution of Troy Davis and U.S. foreign policy to marijuana and marriage laws are carried by the “occupying” force.

What’s more, in what could be called the “Egyptian tradition”, the internet and mass communication have transformed the Wall Street protests into what some are calling a “national movement”, spreading across the country as far as San Francisco. Indeed, some have questioned this use of technology, arguing that the “legitimacy” of the movement is undermined by demonstrators’ auspicious use of iphones and ipads, products of a $350 billion corporation traded on Wall Street.

Since mid-September, New York’s Zuccotti Park has become a cross between a commune and a refugee camp, with tarp tents offering medicine, food, books and anti-war propaganda, while on San Francisco’s Market Street, guitar circles and mediation sessions have taken over a half-block stretch in front of the Federal Reserve Building, according to Business Week, which also references the involvement of labor unions in the demonstrations:

In New York, members of National Nurses United, the profession’s largest U.S. union; Transport Workers Union Local 100, the biggest labor organization in the Metropolitan Transportation Authority, and the Working Families Party, a coalition of community organizations, marched to Wall Street from Foley Square, north of City Hall.

The constituency of some of these unions raises questions as to the motivation for the involvement; the U.S. is projected to experience a serious nursing shortage as the baby boom generation ages. So why are they marching?

It’s not just unions and young people either, activist groups like the “Raging Grannies” and the anti-war “Granny Peace Brigade” have also joined the fray, perhaps indicating a deficiency of senior-friendly entertainment venues elsewhere. With both unions and AARP members, because the aims of the “occupation” force are so broad, organizations eager for attention (warranted or otherwise) are jumping on the bandwagon.

For some like New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg, the protests are more than an inconvenience; they’re a detriment to already fragile economic systems. As the Guardian reported the mayor saying on his weekly radio show,

What they’re trying to do is take the jobs away from people working in this city…If the jobs they are trying to get rid of in this city – the people that work in finance, which is a big part of our economy – go away, we’re not going to have any money to pay our municipal employees or clean our parks or anything else.

And after the protestors leave, the parks are going to need quite a bit of cleaning.

Nonetheless, Bloomberg’s point is the core of the argument against the demonstrations. What real impact will anger and frustration leveled at America’s financial institutions have? There may be some shuffling around in senior management positions, one or two CEOs or CFOs might be “thrown to the dogs” and publically indicted, but in terms of real, lasting reform, not much at all can be expected.

Some, like NRO’s Andrew Stiles, attribute the public reception to the occupation as a fundamental misunderstanding of and misguided anger towards capitalism, and a naïve conceptualization of socialism, a notion that is fostered in our institutions of higher learning.

Rather than attempt to criticize the economic system upon which our nation was founded, the protestor’s efforts would be better employed critiquing government actions that foster irresponsible or inefficient financial behavior, like that of  Solyndra, the Buffet Rule, smart growth, and renewable energy subsidies.

Indeed, the power of public demonstration is a time-honored tradition of American society, and if properly executed, can help in the process of reform. The reason why the Wall Street occupation and its offshoots will fail is disorganization, both practical and ideological.

When the occupiers are forced to confront their critics, having no centralized ideological base and objectives (or rather, easily discernable objectives) they resort to violence and chaos, as evidenced in the FTAA, G-20, and WTO protests.

If reform needs to come, change can be achieved through the intelligent objection to policy; using economic principles and empirical evidence to make an argument can often be more effective in achieving change than guitar circles, meditation, or sleeping in a park.

Tags: Andrew Stilesdemonstrationfederal reserveFree Trade Area of the AmericasGranny Peace BrigadeMetropolitan Transportation AuthorityMichael BloombergNational Nurses UnitedNew YorkprotestRagin Granniesrenewable energy subsidiesSan Franciscosmart growthsolyndrathe Buffet Rulethe G-20Transport Workers Union Local 100Wall Street OccupationWisconsin capitol buildingWorking Families PartyWorld Trade OrganizationZuccotti Park

— Andrew Barr

Andrew is a government relations and communications intern at the Heartland Institute. He has written for several foreign and domestic policy journals, including the Illini Independent, the American Security Council Foundation, and the Diplomat, the University of Illinois’ international affairs review journal. He also hosts a political affairs program, Firing Line: Reloaded.

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  • Timos Wooderson

    “…destructive demonstration, movements that serve only to draw attention to an issue without proposing any real degree of reform.”  
    Important to understand:  The occupation is the demand in and of itself.  The reform?  We can live without houses, without income.  We will strike from the current state of the social contract, and through it all, support, share and care for each other the way “civilized” participants in adult society should be expected to do.  Socio-psychological reform.

    We represent a growing consciousness that dividing people up with economic incentives and class/caste system is inhumane and unsustainable.  Each individual is influential and the occupation reinforces that through a horizontal, transparent assembly and a people’s microphone through which even the meek participate in relaying a broad array of communications.  I can see by the photo that you have visited Liberty Plaza, (albeit from the shelter of a building)?  I might charge you next time with reporting the expressions on the faces of the protesters.  The dialogue you had with some of them.  You will find free-market capitalists amidst the ranks.  You will find tea-party supporters there.  Smiling, intelligent people young and old are there, having fun standing up for the anti-career:  The occupation.  The self-driven, sustainable, direct-democratic free-conomy.  

    You write for what you believe in, brother.  Read Rushkoff’s article here to see what I believe is a more  accurate conceptualization of the demonstration.  http://www.cnn.com/2011/10/05/opinion/rushkoff-occupy-wall-street/index.html

    You must always try to live by “seek first to understand”, put yourself in our shoes.  It may not be true, but this article reads as if it were written from the perspective of someone who does not believe in nor understand the concept of “solidarity”.  We’re proud of you for being so intelligent and getting good grades in school, but that does not grant you any additional human value in our eyes.  We are to be judged by our actions and not our money, and those who act in solidarity with one another will be judged favorably.  

  • Thevine

    This type of writting will increase as with the fear your quite wrong-did you see Bernanke? He looked like a cornered mouse. The powerless also do not make the US Millitary squirm, “computer virus of unknown origin completely unrelated to external vandals or any such thing-OUR DRONES ARE BULLET PROOF…….trails off mumbling.
    Your elders teach you the way they think, you repeat the actions=do you expect a different outcome? I think we both know the word this defines. Or do you think things are good? 

  • greg

    More cohesion will come with time.  As will a standardized message. This isn`t  a health insurance power point demonstration Andrew. These are raw emotions being expressed. Something is seriously wrong in most of western society. You can see and sense the ill`s as they permeate  day to day life. This is the beginning of a welling up of the disgust that many of us feel. You just watch and see what happens.

    • Mark

      yeah sure here is what will happen – politicians will capitalize on this momentum to pass some populist legislation before anyone can understand the true causes of our problems. Unwittingly , the new rules and regulations throw us further into a tailspin. I encourage anyone who really cares about ideas and the process of thinking (not just reacting to irrational emotions!) to read some of Henry Hazlitt’s Economics in One Lesson. But if that is too lengthy just watch some videos of Ayn Rand at the Ford Hall Forum. I think she is the most intellectually honest person I’ve ever come across. And so there is a lot you can learn from that type of person because they are in it for the same thing you are – the truth.

      • frank — Decoding SwiftHack

        Mark:

        What a load of nonsense! I don’t need to “watch some videos of Ayn Rand” to realize that the Bank of America’s illegal dispossession of people’s homes — a thoroughly despicable, deplorable, and indefensible act — is _not_ caused by supposed ‘over-regulation’.

        Get lost with your Ayn Rand videos, because you and Andrew Barr clearly represent the very opposite of logic and justice.

        – frank

        • mark

          well since you have it all figured out maybe you should write a book and go on a speaking tour. maybe even get on tv eventually or become a professor. good luck.

  • Steve Reed

    “[...] critiquing government actions that foster irresponsible or inefficient financial behavior, like that of .” — you can’t even finish your sentence with a single actual example!

    And heavens forfend that anyone sell “anti-war propaganda,” as the buyers might see through that particular prop of the repression both foisted upon, and genuinely welcomed by, too many of us.

    All the former people in charge (many of whom actually were libertarians) have left their oversight roles at the Heartland Institute (or passed, such as Dave Padden, R.I.P.), and left it in the hands of younger Buckleyite clones such as you, who unlike WFB, Jr., can’t even finish their sentences. A very good reason for my not supporting you financially any more.

    • Andrew Barr

      Thanks for pointing out the omission (due to a technical issue). It has been corrected.

  • CyZane

    The demonstrators are expressing anger and disgust.  They are not the ones who are paid handsome salaries and benefits  to find solutions.  The elected officials are.   Let the officials sort out what is wrong with the way society is run today and address the problems one by one.  There is no doubt that they know all too well why there is civil unrest not only in the US but throughout the world.   Noone has to spell it out to them! 

  • CyZane

    The demonstrators are expressing anger and disgust.  They are not the ones who are paid handsome salaries and benefits  to find solutions.  The elected officials are.   Let the officials sort out what is wrong with the way society is run today and address the problems one by one.  There is no doubt that they know all too well why there is civil unrest not only in the US but throughout the world.   Noone has to spell it out to them! 

  • Aaronspelmann

    Give me the Wall Street Occupation naivity over the Banker’s ransoms any day. Emboldened, envigorated and activated!
    The Rupublicans are a joke. Their snouts glued to the trough of corporate insider trading.
    This is humanity on display at last!!!

  • Vango

    They protest to change a broken system.  God bless them!

  • Vango

    They protest to change a broken system.  God bless them!

  • Dick Holman

    Your article shows a very parochial view of this protest. Because of the power of the internet, some half-a-million world citizens (@ 01:58 BST on 10/10/2011) are supporting this occupation, via an e-petition. (linky below) This number is increasing by the minute.

    http://www.avaaz.org/en/the_world_vs_wall_st/?cl=1308141678&v=10603

  • Larry Marx

    this article is less focussed than u accuse the protestors of being. why not do onsite interviewing & investigation. u r clueless.prbably very bright but off the mark on this. sorry. have liked your other pieces

  • Larry Kantor

    CLEAN YOUR GLASSES BABY AND SMILE! GO TO WALL STRET OR OCCUPATION BOSTON

     WITH DR MYERS & MUCH INFORMED HARVARD STUDeNTS>

    …… MYERS’s Mom’s best friend was BUSH FAMIlY DOCTOR IN WHITE HOUSE

    .Playwright Larry Myers is a devout CATHOLIC from a PENNSYLVANIa FAMILY

     who were REPUBLICAN BIGWIGS.

     GET REALLLL

     and smell the lies     fraud  duplicity  deception    and

    take  a
     coffee break or BREAKDOWN OR BREAKTHROUGH

     from the Tea Party

    but

    The TEA PARTY & the OCCUPATIONS HAVE THE SAME ETHOS–stop corrut banks now

    FEED THE POOR
     IS Dr Myers  mission

     he is gifted theater artist
     acting guru &
    PATRIOTIC PRESIDENTIAL AUTHORITY

    enlightend about & studying  on politics  debate & taught at St Johns U prestigious Law School

    DON T SIT LOOKING SMUG

    do something

    explore

       get in the trenches YOU ARE A FRAUDULENT thinker

     writer

    guessing game devotee

      post on two faced book or FalseFACE book or 3 faces of eve book

     you re unenlightened & illiterate & mean

    think & feel with compassion

    trust GOD

    learn

    MYeRS well reserached plays are being published

     & Im sure more folks will read them than this dingy little underqualified hate mail

    you transcribed

     I say this for MYERS

     as he is a gentleman with heart from an aristocratic well-educated household

    whose CHURCH is the theater    &  THE STREETS

    wake up tomorrow

     not thinking just good thoughts about you

    demolish ego & THINK ABOUT SOMEONE OTHER THAN YOURSELF

  • Paul Keohane

    “having no centralized ideological base” … Thankfully, the protestors don’t have an ideological base. It was a half-baked ideology that got us into the mess in the first place.

    • Paul Trombley

      Oh, come on now, Paul, let’s think this through. The protesters are using slogans, often shouted, such as “We Are The 99%” and “Tax The Rich”. There are calls for universal health care, demands for more resources for governments’ schools, and histrionics about the government’s old age pension scheme. It’s like the protesters cherrypicked a few items from the USSR’s constitution of 1936.

      From these facts alone we can conclude plausibly that the ideologial base is communism, which is the same base that Progressivism and Fabianism have. It just so happens that the protesters lack the patience of most Progressives and Fabians. Furthermore, the communism does not have to be expressly Marxist or Leninist to count as communism, although it should be no surprise if we can find among the rabblerousers a few Marxists, not to mention proletarians.

      Sure enough, the protesters have been eager to posture as peaceful, but every adult understands that without governmental aggression, most of their demands could not be satisfied. The protesters’ friendly overtures and crude appeals to the police betray the fact that the protesters, too, understand the ugly truth about their inherently aggressive and violent agenda. It may be true that some of the protesters don’t consciously meditate upon all of the relevant truth concerning their motives and actions, but their lack of self knowledge can’t change the objective truth about their uprising, which is communistic at its core and its foundations.
      Let’s consider their looters’ slogan, “Tax The Rich”. It may as well be a quote of Marx and Engels, who in their famous  manifesto called for despotic inroads into private property. Now, never mind that the slogan’s likely motives are bitterness about disequality and facile enmity toward the wealthy. Never mind any rumor that Marx proposed taxation as a means to destroy capitalism and free trade. Never mind that the rich already pay most of the taxes and that many people pay no taxes, or at least no income taxes, anyway.

      Instead, recall that a fundamental premise of taxation is that 100% of a person’s wealth is, in fact, the property of that person’s government. In other words, a fundamental premise of taxation is that all wealth, all goods, whether producers’ goods or not, are the property of the government. This premise must precede the act of setting a tax rate, which, according to the protesters, “We the people” may increase and decrease at the people’ pleasure, provided that the changes are proclaimed by the people’s legislature.

      This rebellion is communistic, and it seems that one of the protesters’ greatest grievances is that the relatively mild communism in place already is not doing as much as it could with the wealth of “We the people”, who, sure enough, the protesters equate with government.

      ¡%!

      “The Communist revolution is the most radical rupture with traditional relations; no wonder that its development involved the most radical rupture with traditional ideas.
      But let us have done with the bourgeois objections to Communism.
      We have seen above, that the first step in the revolution by the working class is to raise the
      proletariat to the position of ruling class to win the battle of democracy.

      The proletariat will use its political supremacy to wrest, by degree, all capital from the bourgeoisie, to centralise all instruments of production in the hands of the State, i.e., of the proletariat organised as the ruling class; and to increase the total productive forces as rapidly as possible.
      Of course, in the beginning, this cannot be effected except by means of despotic inroads on the rights of property, and on the conditions of bourgeois production; by means of measures, therefore, which appear economically insufficient and untenable, but which, in the course of the movement, outstrip themselves, necessitate further inroads upon the old social order, and are unavoidable as a means of entirely revolutionising the mode of production.

      These measures will, of course, be different in different countries.”

      K. Marx & F. Engels, in Manifesto of the Communist Party.

      • frank — Decoding SwiftHack

        Paul, here’s a little quiz for you:

        Was it Karl Marx, or Joseph Stalin, or Vladimir Lenin, or Friedrich Engels, who spoke of “government of the people, by the people, for the people“?

        The message behind the very phrase “99%” is very simple: that government should serve the 99%, not the richest and most powerful 1%.

        Only by serving the 99% can a government truly be a government “for the people”.

        – frank

        • Anonymous

          Someone has turned off the LIKE button on your comment.
          However, I like it, and it is elegant. Boffo and Tres Bien!

  • Justwatoo

    “If reform needs to come, change can be achieved through the intelligent objection to policy; using economic principles and empirical evidence to make an argument can often be more effective in achieving change than guitar circles, meditation, or sleeping in a park.”

    Tell that to the Tahrir Square protesters.

  • Anonplanz

    Typical response from someone feeding his own dirty face off the backs of others. Predatory, dominating, despicable  behavior, it comes with the territory of a nefarious group of men who’s lives are dedicated to consuming absolutely everything possible, no matter who it hurts, no matter the damage to anyone or anything. All trading systems are a form of slavery, no matter how you slice it. Such slave systems demand parasitic variables and acknowledge no consequence whatsoever. Dishonesty and lies, competitive and dominating behavior, cyclical consumption, and MASSIVE cyclical waste, invasive laws and marketing in a catch 22 that benefits only those with power, and brings destitute to those that are required by dominating men to follow them. Monopolies and nepotism. War. Corporate death assembly lines. Police states. Social Dysfunction. The more problems you have, the more rewards, so it makes sense to inject problems into society, only to solve for them, cyclically, and thus consume absolutely everything in it’s path, along a line of self destruction and waste. The perfect human and ecological assassin, within the bounds of laws created from lawmakers under the corporate death regime.  I am ashamed today to be American, I ashamed at the stupidity of man. This whole paradigm is so easily solvable, it makes my stomach turn in knots. But you people, the media, our educational institutions, our religious fanatical liars of humanity, or governments and military, those in power who bought this writers soul with a few pennies, you are the problem. You cannot see the earth belongs to you, and for so long as you want to trade, some will have, and some will not, and those that do not, will get angry, and they will become in despair, and without hope, and they will always rise up, to be slaughtered, again, and again, and again, and you people…. you people are the problem. All of us. The only intelligent solution to any of this? Is to let no man own more than his fair share of earth. It’s so simple. And you will all refuse it, because you refuse to think outside of your own selfish self centered, self serving agenda. So you get all that you wanted. You get what you asked for. When the time comes, and your suffering is more than you can bare, you will think back and wonder how you could have prevented it. I hope you remember my words. To humanity – you are too stupid to belong on a planet so beautiful. 

  • M Parnell

    While I do agree that too many protesters are not focused, a point you do very intelligently explain and qualify. It is because it’s not their jobs to be focused on this very complex structure which is the government. It is the place of most protesters to come out, and make a concern public. 

    This quote i did find rather tellign of your ‘agenda’ and ‘mind set’…..’the movement is undermined by demonstrators’ auspicious use of iphones and ipads, products of a $350 billion corporation traded on Wall Street’
    and furthermore this statement from your article…
    ‘These individuals, who have made a career out of civil disobedience, are a rag-tag conglomeration of residue from the hippie era, students (who are clearly not taking enough credit hours), other Woodstock generation wannabes, and a myriad of others.’
    …. this shows, more such right wing, imperialistic views which you needn’t have expressed to get your very good point across, about the ineffectiveness of these protests.
    You sir, are being nothing sort of condescending, bigoted, opinionated, when you accuse the ‘woodstock’  and ‘hippie’ generation of somehow representing flaked out losers, who sponge off society!! 
    I suggest if you think this way, then go home and throw out all your beatles and john lennon records,  all your gratefull dead, all your stones, santana, pink floyd, hendrix, Bruce springsteen…the list is pritty long…. And also make some suggestions also how a society can perform without all these great artists music and revenue.
     Also come up with a fiscal policy which includes covering the services provided for by all the thousands of charities worldwide, to cover the gap left by central government. 

    Only then can you level anything at people who don’t dress or look like you. People who don’t think like you are nt to be ridiculed. I personally don’t believe we would have any of this ‘modern society’ without the cultural revolution spearheaded by the music world and individuals therein, and the events like woodstock which helped give these people an identity. 

    Mr Bar may I suggest you learn to play the guitar. It’s such good fun and never ending…..

  • Anonplanz

    Typical response from someone feeding his own dirty face off the backs of others. Predatory, dominating, despicable  behavior, it comes with the territory of a nefarious group of men who’s lives are dedicated to consuming absolutely everything possible, no matter who it hurts, no matter the damage to anyone or anything. All trading systems are a form of slavery, no matter how you slice it. Such slave systems demand parasitic variables and acknowledge no consequence whatsoever. Dishonesty and lies, competitive and dominating behavior, cyclical consumption, and MASSIVE cyclical waste, invasive laws and marketing in a catch 22 that benefits only those with power, and brings destitute to those that are required by dominating men to follow them. Monopolies and nepotism. War. Corporate death assembly lines. Police states. Social Dysfunction. The more problems you have, the more rewards, so it makes sense to inject problems into society, only to solve for them, cyclically, and thus consume absolutely everything in it’s path, along a line of self destruction and waste. The perfect human and ecological assassin, within the bounds of laws created from lawmakers under the corporate death regime.  I am ashamed today to be American, I ashamed at the stupidity of man. This whole paradigm is so easily solvable, it makes my stomach turn in knots. But you people, the media, our educational institutions, our religious fanatical liars of humanity, or governments and military, those in power who bought this writers soul with a few pennies, you are the problem. You cannot see the earth belongs to you, and for so long as you want to trade, some will have, and some will not, and those that do not, will get angry, and they will become in despair, and without hope, and they will always rise up, to be slaughtered, again, and again, and again, and you people…. you people are the problem. All of us. The only intelligent solution to any of this? Is to let no man own more than his fair share of earth. It’s so simple. And you will all refuse it, because you refuse to think outside of your own selfish self centered, self serving agenda. So you get all that you wanted. You get what you asked for. When the time comes, and your suffering is more than you can bare, you will think back and wonder how you could have prevented it. I hope you remember my words. To humanity – you are too stupid to belong on a planet so beautiful.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_2GYGIYK34MPUVXOUAJLMJCMLEI Wil Madison

    Great analysis!

    There is a hilarious sendup of these buffoons over at Takimag:

    Forever 1969 by Guy Somerset
    http://takimag.com/article/forever_1969/print#axzz1afwM75yp

  • Richard

    The inspiration for these protests were based off of the Arab Spring protests — no one would call their activity anything short of revolutionary, yet somehow in the context of the United States, we seem to have this odd proclivity for trying to always work WITHIN the system for change. This of course flies not only in the face of how this country began, but also in the power of protests for enacting several important civil rights changes during the 60s.

    Now. I agree a cohesive platform is essential. You can’t just shout without a purpose. But the shouting is revealing a very malignant growth, both within the United States and internationally — the growth of immense corporations who have no country and no loyalty to anything but profit. To remark that these corporations are the natural byproduct of our economic system is folly, a slap in the face to the number of social entitlement programs developed as a means of helping fellow citizens. The understanding, of course, is that we are all interconnected, and we should support each other. There is nothing natural about corporations, there is nothing beneficial about their existence, and if you bother to even look up their origins (as well as their twisted status as legal “persons”), you’ll begin to understand the true scope of the problem, and thus why there is so much anger (however disorganized it began).

    Finally, you’ll forgive me for wondering how on earth someone who has dedicated much of his young life to studying power and politics can ever touch base with the people in this country who are out of jobs and out of luck, and who see these protests as a means of reasserting their worth. There’s quite a difference between experiencing these problems and merely analyzing them up high from an ivory tower. Given your disturbing fascination with British culture and imperialism, as well as your love for the political quackery, it’s not simply that you have a bad argument, it’s that you just don’t get it.

    • Anonplanz

      Beautifully said Richard. I give to you my utmost honor and respect.

  • frank — Decoding SwiftHack

    “What real impact will anger and frustration leveled at America’s
    financial institutions have? There may be some shuffling around in
    senior management positions, one or two CEOs or CFOs might be ‘thrown to
    the dogs’ and publically indicted, but in terms of real, lasting
    reform, not much at all can be expected.”

    Hey Mr. Andrew Barr, so what’s your totally genius idea for holding the CEOs, CFOs, and other responsible individuals accountable for the financial crisis?

    Where’s _your_ solution to people having to work three jobs just to be able to attend university? Where’s _your_ solution to people having their homes illegally foreclosed? Where’s _your_ solution to people not being able to find jobs because there simply aren’t enough jobs going around?

    It seems your effort towards a ‘solution’ is to shill for the rich CEOs and CFOs who were destroying people’s hard-earned wealth; to scream ‘No don’t look at AIG, look at Solyndra!’; and to encourage people like to go on Marx-baiting?

    Are you even _trying_ to find solutions to problems that the ordinary man of the street is facing?

    – frank

  • frank — Decoding SwiftHack

    (and continuing from my previous post below)

    And Mr. Barr, which part of the sentence “We are the 99%” do you not understand?

    Maybe I should spell it out for you in big blaring letters: “Policies should be crafted and implemented to benefit the 99%, not the richest and most powerful 1% — and everything else flows from this basic imperative.”

    Stop shilling for the 1%. Stand with the 99% now.

    – frank

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Peter-S-Mizla/1583576455 Peter S. Mizla

    Andrew Barr

    the above is the most arrogant and inane piece of garbage I have ever read. If you want to see the 1917 Reds again- on Wall Street- keep writing crap like this – we are closer  to the edge then you think.

  • Dean

    You seem to misunderstand the different between a movement and an organization. An organization usually has a centralized structure by which it can make decisions, and a leadership to try and carry it out.

    A movement doesn’t have these things. Movements may vary by degree in how ideologically diverse they are, but they usually have no one group or person to speak for them. Over time, it is possible, that as with the civil rights movement, that somebody may develop the  visibility and credibility to do so, but if it happens, it will take time, months at least. More likely many people will try and speak for it, and they will mostly be speaking for themselves.

    I hope this movement grows and strengthens to the point where the politicians make up their own plans and come begging to the movement for support because their plan is the best. Then we can debate which plan is the best rather than doing it the other way around.

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