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Heartland’s Tim Benson is joined by National Review’s Kevin D. Williamson to discuss his new book, Big White Ghetto: Dead Broke, Stone-Cold Stupid, and High on Rage in the Dank Woolly Wilds of the “Real America”. They talk about American dysfunction and failure—both personal and institutional, and the rise of resentment politics. They also delve into American weirdness: flat-earther conventions, Kremlin-backed California secessionists, and the men who travel to the AVN awards, to name a few, and also talk about why conservatives and libertarians need to be a bit more circumspect regarding the tradeoffs of some of the policies they champion.